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Mr. Pi
03-09-2011, 02:40 PM
Alright so I'm feeling quite silly about asking this, but I didn't/don't have a clear answer in my head. Pretty simple spot:

BTN: 17/15 over 191 hands filtered to 3-5 handed.
SB: 33/22 over 39 hands filtered to 3-5 handed.
BB: 23/17 over 39 hands filtered to 3-5 handed.

Full Tilt Poker $30 + $3 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t80/t160 Blinds - 4 players

BB: t3235 20.22 BBs
Hero (CO): t2570 16.06 BBs
BTN: t1840 11.50 BBs
SB: t5855 36.59 BBs

Pre Flop: (t240) Hero is CO with :kd: :ad:
Hero raises to t400

Should I fold to a shove vs everybody? Is a call good vs BTN?
Is it better to shove than to raise? Don't we risk too much when we openshove considering our stack advantage over the shortstack?

Thanks for the replies.

dodi89
03-10-2011, 06:50 PM
In this particular case I wanna write my thoughts here, and start a discussion because it's a hard spot imo.

Would they shove really wide here if we minraised here? Proly yes, so it's not very good.
If we shove they have to call really tight, maybe they won't do it correctly and yes we're risking too much, so I don't really like it either.
What if we raise bigger (3x) to reduce their resteal range?

Hm I dunno man, it's interesting. Still thinking

Mr. Pi
03-10-2011, 07:04 PM
Yeah its quite interesting. One thing to note - Its not so bad if we minraise and they open up their shoving range on us since then we can probably call profitably considering the fact that they shove on us prolly with weak aces.

Thanks for the reply,
Pi :)

Cernunnos
03-11-2011, 03:34 AM
i don't see how is this not an insta shove? :S Yes i know, bubble, icm, still, is it a 50/30/20 structure?

Mr. Pi
03-11-2011, 05:51 PM
Yeah it was a 9 man one so 50/30/20 and basically its not an instashove because you have 16 BBs. Maybe a shove is ok - the only prob is that maybe the blinds will fold stuff out what they would reshove with. Stuff like AT - AQ? Would be cool to get it in vs those hands imo.

Pi :)

want2push
03-11-2011, 11:35 PM
Should I fold to a shove vs everybody? Is a call good vs BTN?
You can't fold to a raise. You have to call.



Is it better to shove than to raise?
I wouldn't shove. I like more a standard raise, t400 is a fair amount.